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Old 03-03-2008, 02:42 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I have heard of people not using head cement. Is this becoming a common practice? I have used it since day one and would like to get talked out of using it. I use a whip finisher. I guess it's all about the head lasting as long as the body of the fly and not coming apart prematurely. Thanks for any comments.
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I'll use head cement if its not a particularly dainty fly with lots of hackling near the eye. Otherwise I'll use a double whip finish, or if there's no room, a single whip finish.
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Old 03-03-2008, 03:05 PM   #3 (permalink)
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If youíre going to use a whip finisher and youíre sure of your own knots then donít use head cement, when I whip finish a fly I will take the thread and pull it tight and swing it under the fly with tension before cutting the thread. And I don't use head cement on any of my flies unless there streamers or big bass bugs.

So I'm a no head cement tier, but it is all preference I guess.
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Default Re: Head cement vs. no head cement.

I whip finish around like 5-8 times, then put a small dab of cement, model airplane glue, or whatever is handy on it.

Can't say I've ever had a fly come apart because of the thread unwrapping
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i use hard as nails fingernail polish. and i use it at every step i especialy like to coat the thread base before wrapping my body forward. and i like to put a tiny dab on the head before the whip finish. makes for some really durable flies. doesnt keep u from loseing them though
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Default Re: Head cement vs. no head cement.

i use zap a gap when i have something tied into the head that i think might come loose or if it is bulky. usually i just do 2 whipfinishes and i'm good.
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If its a big bass bug or clouser then I'll superglue the head, anything else just gets whip-finished.
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I'm part of the whip finish crowd. Six turns and I am good to go.

On my nymphs with wingcases I will pull a bead of UV Knot Sense all the way from the abdomen to the bead or head to keep the UVKS from pulling off. In that way I guess I am cementing the finished head.

When I do cement I use super glue and apply it to the thread before my final wrap.

Most of my flies get tore up before they come apart at the head.

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thats why i started glueing other parts especialy body material. my flies would get chewed up pretty quick but the head would hold. not so bad now. they get ragged but stay together
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What kind of head cement are you using? The water based stuff in the jar, the non-water based stuff in a jar, or the squeeze bottle thingy with the needle dropper.

A buddy at work said to get the needle dropper. He was right. I don't use it all the time, but it sure is better than messing with leaving the jar open and having it get gunky and stuff.

I use Zap-A-Gap for attaching some materials, and for tough heads on my kokanee flies, and also Hard As Nails.

They all have their uses. The guy who sold me my vise actually uses UV Wader Repair on his flies, with the nifty little UV light, of course, and it works great.
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Old 03-04-2008, 07:05 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Default Re: Head cement vs. no head cement.

Thanks for all the input. I'm going to give it a shot with just whip finishing. I like the double knot whip finish option. Never thought of that. Fresh flies can be pretty potent smelling with head cement, but most of all it would be "one less thing" to deal with. From the sound of it looks like most people don't think head cement is all that critical. Guess I'll find out. Thanks again for the comments.
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