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Old 11-13-2010, 10:33 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Just because WE own the lakes doesn't mean YOU can do whatever the hell you want with them.
No one ever said that. But fishing access does not ruin a watershed.
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Iceintheveins, I admire the enthusiasm with which you apply yourself! May I simply point out this small fact? Communism aims for a classless society structured upon communal ownership. It seeks to establish societal integration of the means of production, common ownership of goods produced, and the end of private property.

I am in no way advocating communism, which history has proven to be fundamentally problematic with regard to implementation. I would simply encourage you to do a little reading prior to holding forth on a topic you demonstrate tenuous knowledge of.

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Please do not lecture me on what communism is. Communism and socialism means increased government regulation and over regulation that ends a free society. Excess government regulation often borders on socialism rather than a constitutional republic. It's just another form of tyranny. Perhaps if I use the word tyranny there will be less confusion. Our country is becoming a soft tyranny, one in which "benevolent" government bureaucrats get to decide policy based on "what's best for us" rather than the will of the people and also in bypassing elected officials.
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Old 11-14-2010, 12:29 AM   #13 (permalink)
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My dear fellow, let us not assume I have thus far lectured you on anything. I would not do so in this format, but were I to do so it would be immediately apparent and unambiguous.

Words have meaning. When you use the wrong meaning for a particular word you may rightly expect to be corrected. I corrected you on the accepted definition of a system of governance. It is open for you to challenge that definition, and in fact I welcome any attempts you may make to do so.

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Swimbait-I too am discusted by the way some anglers(who should be conservation minded) treat what they are allowed to enjoy. I see trash most everywhere I fish. You could greatly increase fines and punishment for this type of behavior but I doubt that would change much.

Some people are just slobs and don't care. I don't know what you do about that-but if you use that as an excuse to limit access to a particular body of water you could use that argument to close every body of water in the state.

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kirbydog, I 99% agree with you on the idea that not every problem has a solution. (1% gives me room to wiggle!)

There is also the fact that not every solution has a problem. That is the seed of overregulation.

Thank you for your civil tone. You are a gentleman.

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Old 11-16-2010, 09:21 AM   #16 (permalink)
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There are already fish in the lake. Some native fish made it into the lake before the fill started. So since there are some Chub and Minnows in it, and they are a few years old now, it will throw a wrench in stocking it. The number of fish and ages of the fish is making biologists think the fish have reproduced in the lake. They probably were in the small impoundment ponds used as dust abatment water during the building of the dam.

Amazingly, best guess is the fish were pumped up and over the ridge from the Animas in a small irrigation pump and pump lines, like you would see in a farm field. The pump was used to supply enough water for dust when water shed wasn't enough.

The lake's outlet works is designed to kill most fish that pass through. The gates basically should turn the fish into sushi when they pass through. Testing is going on to prove how well they work. If they kill all the fish that pass through, fry will be the hardest to kill, then it opens the lake up to more stocking options. The biologists want to be sure non native species can't escape from the lake to the Animas.

So there is a lot going on behind the scenes in deciding what will be stocked in the lake.

The lake is pretty featureless. The only structure is deep in the lake where construction took fill dirt from. Sort of similar to the old quarry pits in Chatfield. I got a picture of the Lake before fill up, but it is not letting me attach it. Not sure how good of a fishery it will become.

Lake bottom:

On the dam looking east:

Looking north from south, top of dam. Flat, gray area in the middle of the picture is one of the proposed boat launch sites:

Flat, featureless. Water will come up almost to the trees:
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Old 11-16-2010, 09:55 AM   #17 (permalink)
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If your idiodic title were not so objective, you might get support from all sportsmen, not just the ones whom you agree with politically...
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Old 11-17-2010, 09:04 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Yup must be the title...Not the fact that the short sitedness in this state stocks trash fish into reservoirs that cannot sustain them. Then cries they have no funding. Then excludes a large populous of anglers from usage of publicly funded waters. Then eradicates self sustaining species to save chubs.

Im willing to be theres a better chance that the outlet will be clogged with granola than the lake gets proper public usage. Its the focus on semantics and "offensive terms" and a lack of action on the part of anglers that will ultimately create another inaccessible or wasted body of water. Rather than whining at what I wrote for a title why not step up and make sure that you can get access to another piece of "should be" public water.

Sad part is that post and the comments section had been around a while for this lake, and someone that no longer lives there had to be the one to inform the fisherman on this site about it.

Have fun im done with it.

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Just think Chris, you could have been a Marine!

And you been fishin' Ivie long enough, how come you can't catch Bobbie Gayle? You gonna let a WOMEN show you up like that son?

awe man, just pallin' around buddy, you know we love ya, right?
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Old 11-17-2010, 10:39 AM   #20 (permalink)
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I have no idea what your talkin about I fished Ivie once? I lived in Colorado till April this year. Like I said worry about semantics and watch another lake slip out of the hands of anglers.

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