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Old 06-16-2012, 12:59 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Hand tied tapered leader vs. knotless tapered leaders

Just curious... one vs. the other. Pros and cons... Also, are there specific formulas to use in hand tied leaders?
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Old 06-16-2012, 07:22 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I exclusively fish hand tied leaders...I don't have specific formulas for tying them, but there are some things you can do that will allow you to get in the ballpark for having them function well....with a leader for fishing dries I usually make the butt of the leader about half the length of the whole thing using anywhere from 20-30lb mono depending on the size of fly I'm trying to deliver. Then I taper very fast off the butt section...most taper happens in the next 1/5 to 1/6 of the leader...then I will use the remaining length as a long tippet...nymphing I generally will use a level leader as in the previous post...taper in a nymph leader is often a major hindrance unless you are fishing shallow at distance with no indicator. for nymphing, overall leader length usually correlates to water clarity or how shy the fish appear to be...
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Additionally, as there are no knots in a tapered leader,
Not true if I'm casting. It'll usually START with no knots....
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I used to always use tapered leaders for everything. That has changed a lot in the last 2 years and especially when I am fishing with heavy flies, and chucking for distance. An extremely stiff butt section really helps with turning over heavy flies, especially at distance. The factory tapered leader is more progressive in the taper, so it can be more fluid for good presentations, but will not turn over the flies as well as hand tied.

I have a great article on the recipe for hand tieds and the best materials to use. I will dig it up on Monday or Tuesday and send it to you. I think if you are casting for wiper or pike and need to really get heavy flies to turn over, it is worth learning the recipe.

For trout, in streams, I use the tapered section of a tapered leader that is about 3', then flat line from there. I agree with Mr. Tot that flat line is the best to manouver tough currents, and also sinks easier than a tapered leader. But with trout, it aint about casting....carp, same thing.

I made up a half dozen hand tieds for big stuff when I read that article. I still have 2. The butt section material is kinda spendy and you won't really use it for anything else, but it definitely helps.

That said, a few casting lessons will turn over the big stuff better than any material!
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Here's Lefty Kreh's Leader Formula...You can vary the test...

http://www.fcff.org/images/Learn%20I...0Warmwater.pdf

And here's his Leader knot...very simple to tie...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDxGy3Nld2g
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Here's Lefty Kreh's Leader Formula...You can vary the test...

http://www.fcff.org/images/Learn%20I...0Warmwater.pdf

And here's his Leader knot...very simple to tie...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDxGy3Nld2g
Lefty's is nearly identical to the article I used. Using extremely stiff saltwater material for the first two butt sections is important.

If you have the skills/time to tie a double nail knot, it is a very nice touch.
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