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Hello all...I've been visiting the site for quite some time now and decided it was time for me to voice my opinion. I recently started going back to school and have not had the time to get my weekly medicine of two to three fly fishing trips in the mountains. As an alternative I dusted off my open faced reel and went out hunting for walleye. I great fish and every bit as enjoyable to catch as a two to three pound trout in swift current. I was expecting the local lakes and resevoirs to not be as scenic as the mountains but I was not expecting to see what I have been seeing. It seems that other fisherman have lost all repsect for our sport. I see meatchops taking home twelve to fifteen inch walleye on nearly a daily basis and I'm here to let you know that I'm not going to take it anymore. Shorty before joining this site and programmed the number for the division of wildlife as well as several local state rangers into my cellphone. If I see you doing it...I'm making the call. Simple as that. Like I said before, I have been visiting this site for several months now and I am under the impression that there are plenty of knowledgeable and considerate fisherman who frequent this site. I'm willing to bet that there are others of you out there that share my opinion and I'm pleading that you do the same. MAKE THE CALL. Local authorities can only do so much and if we can help by pinpointing offenders for them...maybe...just maybe...we can make a difference. I was pretty much born with a fishing pole in my hand (no pun intended) and when the time comes for me to have children I would like to have the opportunity to do the same with them. For those of you who enjoy killing baby fish I understand that you have an opportunity to do that over at the Chatfield Spillway where there is no size limit on walleye. Otherwise..throw them back.

I apologize if this seems like a crazy mans rant but I admit...I am crazy...crazy about fishing.
 

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I think you will find most people on this site to respect the size restrictions. The people you mention are also the same people who leave their empty bait containers, beer cans, cig butts, etc... at the lakes edge. Pisses me off something fierce to see that.
 

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It is good advice about the phone numbers, here are some things you might want to jot down to help when you call.
Description of offender
Number on the boat (if on the boat)
Liscense Plate number
Make and model of vehicle
The infraction you think they have done
What Lake you are on
Location on the lake that they are at

Be polite to the athorities you call, as if you are rude or very demanding they more then likely will just blow you off.

I dont have a cell phone or I would have all kinds of numbers in there for this purpose.. even if it only worked once out of 50 calls I make it would be worth it.
 

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fishaholic,

Great first post brother! I have the ranger station for Quincy in my phone and have used it many times

Welcome to the site!!

-Jay
 
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the jotting numbers down is a great idea, authorities can only do so much and with our helpl, they could do a lot more, for the most part fishermaen respectnthe rule and size restrictions, but there are always those who are going to take everything, i personally dont keep too manyu just because im not a huge fan of the taste, but on occasion i keep a trout or two for dinner when im camping or something, i also dont really like that i put oe on a stringr and he swimming around in circles for the reast of the day while im fishing, anyway... good idea trying to keep the undersizers in the lakes
 
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i have a short fuse and ive almost got into fist fights over other fishermen doing dumb stuff. its either them and there buddys fishing and drinking beer all day ill put up with the noise cause its there right(rude but its there right i guess) then we they are leaving the pack up there stuff and leave all the beer cans empty food containers . thats when i get sick and tired of seeing it and say something .

sad but true I think the only way things can get better is if people like us clean up after them . it sucks but i dont see anything else happening . as far as calling the d.o.w. or rangers ive been doing it for years and wont stop . im sure they think im a pest but ive seen to many little ponds that i fished when i was a kid get ruined by overharvesting . I used to fish croak res. all the time it was so fun to go and catch bluegill and perch one right after another . you could see them by the hundreds right off the pier . a couple of asian familys went there with cane poles and little tiny shrimp (flys and lures only ) and would fill 5 gallon buckets day after day . I called the city of northglenn nothing I called the d.o.w. nothing . Looking back at it I was just a kid but maybe if i said something they would have stopped . Now when i take my son fishing and have to drive for 20 mins to get to a good bluegill lake . I think about croak and how those people took hundreds maybe even thousands of bluegill and wiped them out .

sorry so long i was venting
 

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ok i was thinking
when we see people " fishermen or women"
leaving all their trash and junk why should we only call D.O.W. why not just report it to the police it is littering
right
just get some good information on the people doing it and
call the cops
i see the signs on the side of the roads asking for us to turn in litters why shouldnt there be signs out at the lakes
 

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Maybe we can start a list. Ill add some here:


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Quincy Reservoir   
18350 E Quincy Av
Aurora,  CO 
(303) 693-5463
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Aurora Reservoir  
5800 S Powhatan Rd
Aurora,  CO 
(303) 690-1286
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Arkansas Headwaters Recreation Area
307 W. Sackett 
Salida, CO 81201 
(719) 539-7289 (phone)
[email][email protected][/email] (e-mail)
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Barr Lake State Park
13401 Picadilly Road 
Brighton, CO 80603
(303) 659-6005 (phone)
[email][email protected][/email] (e-mail)
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Bonny Lake State Park
30010 Road 3
Idalia 80735
(970) 354-7306 (phone)
[email][email protected][/email] (e-mail)
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Boyd Lake State Park
3720 N County Road 11-C 
Loveland 80538 
(970) 669-1739 (phone)
[email][email protected][/email] (e-mail)
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Chatfield State Park
11500 N Roxborough Park Road
Littleton, CO 80125 
(303) 791-7275 (phone)
[email][email protected][/email] (e-mail)
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Cherry Creek State Park
4201 South Parker Road 
Aurora, CO 80014 
(303) 699-3860
[email][email protected][/email]
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Crawford State Park
PO Box 147
Crawford, CO 81415 
(970) 921-5721 (phone)
[email][email protected][/email] (e-mail)
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Eleven Mile State Park
4229 Co Rd 92 
Lake George, CO 80827 
(719) 748-3401 (phone)
[email]eleven.mil[email protected][/email] (e-mail)
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Harvey Gap State Park
c/o Rifle Gap State Park 
5775 HWY 325
Rifle, CO 81650
(970) 625-1607 (phone)
[email][email protected][/email] (e-mail)
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John Martin Reservoir State Park
30703 Rd. 24
Hasty, CO 81044
(719) 829-1801
(719) 829-1807 (fax)
[email][email protected][/email] (e-mail)
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Lake Pueblo State Park
640 Pueblo Reservoir Road 
Pueblo, CO 81005 
(719) 561-9320 ext. 0(phone)
[email][email protected][/email] (e-mail)
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North Sterling State Park
24005 County Road 330
Sterling, CO 80751
(970) 522-3657
[email][email protected][/email]
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Spinney Mountain State Park
4229 Co Rd 92 
Lake George, CO 80827 
(719) 748-3401 (phone)
[email][email protected][/email] (e-mail)
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Stagecoach State Park
25500 R County Road 14 (P.O. Box 98) 
Oak Creek, CO 80467 
(970) 736-2436 (phone)
[email][email protected][/email] (e-mail)
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St. Vrain State Park
4995 Weld County Road 24 1/2 
Longmont, CO 80504 
(303) 678-9402 (phone)
[email][email protected][/email] (e-mail)
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Trinidad Lake State Park
32610 Highway 12 
Trinidad, CO 81082 
(719) 846-6951 (phone)
[email][email protected][/email] (e-mail)
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Union Reservoir Recreation Area 
0461 Weld County Rd 26
Longmont, CO 80504 - 9515
(303) 772-1265
 

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Woot, Jay got the parks down here are the DOW numbers:

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DOW Headquarters
6060 Broadway
Denver, Colorado, 80216
(303)297-1192 (M-F 8am-5pm MST)

Region offices/Service Centers
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Denver Service Center and Northeast Region Office
  6060 Broadway
  Denver, CO 80216
  (303)291-7227
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Southeast Region Service Center
  4255 Sinton Rd
  Colorado Springs, CO 80907
  (719)227-5200
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Fort Collins Service Center
  317 W. Prospect
  Fort Collins, CO 80526
  (970)472-4300
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Northwest Region Service Center

  711 Independent
  Grand Junction
  CO 81505
  (970)255-6100
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Southwest Region Service Center
  151 East 16th Street
  Durango, CO 81301
  (970)247-0855
Area Offices
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Area 1 	Denver Service Center / Northeast Region Office
6060 Broadway
Denver, CO 80216
(303) 291-7227
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Area 2 	

Lon Hagler SWA
4207 W. Co. Rd 16E
Loveland CO 80537
(970) 461-4000
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Area 3 	

122 E. Edison
Brush, CO 80723
(970) 842-6300
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Area 4 	

1424 NE Frontage Road
Fort Collins, CO 80524
(970) 416-3320
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Area 5 	Denver Service Center / Northeast Region Office
6060 Broadway
Denver, CO 80216
(303) 291-7227
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Area 6 	P.O. Box 1181
Meeker, CO, 81641
(970) 878-6090
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Area 7 	Northwest Region Service Center
711 Independent Ave
Grand Junction, CO 81505
(970) 255-6100
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Area 8 	50633 Hwys 6 & 24
Glenwood Springs, CO 81601
(970) 947-2920
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Area 9 	346 Grand County Road 362
Hot Sulphur Springs, CO 80451
(970) 725-6200
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Area 10 	P.O. Box 775777, 925 Weiss Drive
Steamboat Springs, CO 80477
(970) 870-2197
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Area 11 	600 Reservoir Road
Pueblo, CO 81005
(719) 561-5300
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Area 12 	2500 S. Main St.
Lamar, CO, 81052
(719)336-6600
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Area 13 	7405 Hwy 50
Salida, CO 81201
(719)530-5520
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Area 14 	Southeast Region Service Center
4255 Sinton Rd.
Colorado Springs, CO 80907
(719)227-5200
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Area 15 	Southwest Region Service Center
151 East 16th Street
Durango, CO 81301
(970)247-0855
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Area 16 	300 West New York Ave
Gunnison, CO 81230
(970)641-7060
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Area 17 	0722 South Road 1 East
Monte Vista, CO 81144
(719)587-6900
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Area 18 	2300 South Townsend Ave
Montrose, CO 81401
(970)252-6000
Area 51 ... :p
 

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You guys rock! I can't tell you how relieved I am to hear how many people feel the same way I do. I was wondering whay you guys and gals think about asking for a rangers badge number when calling to report these fools. It seems to me that some of these rangers don't take their job as seriously as they should. Not to discredit the ones that do. I agree that being polite yeilds the best results and I don't want to piss these guys off since I know they are understaffed. What do you think.
Thanks again for all the other good tips.
 

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[/I see meatchops taking home twelve to fifteen inch walleye on nearly a daily basis quote]...quite a few people have digital cameras...snap a picture and email it...even better evidence boat numbers, faces, location...all chronicalled...
 

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I have to say what is worse than keeping undersized fish is keeping oversized fish. Keeping lots of small smallmouth or walleyes is healthy for a fishery. Having minimum length limits for fish usually defeats the purpose of trying to grow big fish.
If you call they generally don't do anything. Rangers have to call the CDOW to be able to proceed with anything as they do not technically have jurisdiction over fishing laws.
The DOW is pretty uncaring as a whole, though lots of people in them are different. Calling operation gamethief is generally ineffective for petty violations, which includes all fishing regulations.
I too though am tired of people keeping tons of fish. It really ticks me off. Catch and Release is needed more in this state. With the DOW that we have the last thing we need is a bunch of clowns overharvesting fish.
 

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I agree with all of you guys, but there will always be yahoos fishing. My buddies and I drink lots of beer while fishing, but have never left a can behind. I fish at least five days a week and always have a beer on the ground next to me if the lake allows beer. I have had people(one of you guys probably) come and tell me not to litter, because there are sometimes 5 or 6 cans around me. I always tell them that I would never leave a can behind, and I don't think any "serious fisherman" would either.
 

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Keeping lots of small smallmouth or walleyes is healthy for a fishery. Having minimum length limits for fish usually defeats the purpose of trying to grow big fish.
This comment kind of contradicts itsefl dont you think? Look at it like this: Have a minimum size limit of 15 inches for a fish with a bag limit of 8. This means that these fish will be caught but not taken home until they reach 15 inches which can entertain many people for long time. You want to get rid of the minimum? and make a maximum of what 25 inches? and up the bag limit? say 12? So now instead of 1 or 2 fish or even 8 if its a really good day of fishing ang you get into a whole mess of big ones, everyone keeps 12 fish cause they are all smaller then 25 inches. How is anything going to grow to the maximum, this will plain kill a fishery.
I didnt say the minimum length limit was perfect, I think a slot limit would be better. But it works and it will keep working. There are big fish out there and there will continue to be big fish. IMO
 

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When you have a stunted fishery taking out lots of small fish certainly make the rest grow faster. (just because a person seems to only catch smaller fish does not necessarily mean the population is stunted. Big fish are usually smarter and more wary than smaller ones and thusly harder to catch) Once you have a balanced fishery then slot limits help maintain that balance of big/small fish. Large and small fish need to be harvested, if the population tilts too far one way or another you have a you could face years of lesser fishing until either nature or management practices corrects the balance.

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