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Need some input on line. I have been using 6lb. vanish for the past two years now, and pretty much love it, but I'm ready to try something new. I'd like to try some fireline, and was wondering what pound strength I should use? I mainly jig, with some trolling, so I was planning on using 10lb. test. I've heard the sensitivity with fireline is incredible, that's why I'd like to try it.
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My experiance with Fireline and P-line( not the Flouro ) was not very good. did not cast or feel good to me. I still love both the Vanish lines though. I know this was not much help..
 

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The only problem I've had with vanish is line twist, especially after landing a larger fish.
 

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you should try to match the fireline diameter to the rating on the rod you plan on using, dont pay too much attention to the rated # test, you will have a hard time breaking it regardless, I use 10# diameter spiderwire on a deep laker trolling rod, 4# diameter fireline on a jigging rod with mono leader, and 10# diameter on a line counter reel especially for night troling, but I do not use it for doing any casting, just vertical jigging and trolling
 

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Johnny019-IMHO there are better braids out there-namely PowerPro, Stren Super braid and Spiderwire Stealth. I use Powerpro mostly (the 20 lb. test 6lb. diameter) with a Vanish 12 lb. leader about 10-12 ft. long. This, I think, is the best of both worlds, you get real good sensitibity with the braid and for species like trout or walleye that might be line shy, you get the fluro leader. I join these with a nail knot. You can buy any of these braids at a Walmart-they're thinner than Fireline, don't fray and retain their color longer. Try it, I think you'll like it. Ed
 

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I personaly have used mono, firewire, and spiderwire. If you want to get away from mono I recomend the Spiderwire. There has been a long standing problem with firewire, and knots slipping, it is NOT a braided line. There used to be a glue that had to be used, but havent seen it so much, your milage may vary. Spiderwire is, and its super sensitive. Wait till the first light nibble you get on it, you will think something hammered your bait. You have to be carefull with snags, need to pull straight back, not bend the rod. It will break tips etc, etc. IF you go with F.w. or S.w. make sure your rod has hardened guides like the Fuji Titanium, or at the minimum Sic rod guides. These lines will tear the crap out out ur guides. Another thing to remember is there is no quick re-tying with these lines. They have to be cut off of lures, no biting here. On the plus side, virtualy no birds nest with the Spidewire, not real good for light gear, doesn't cast as well has 6lb mono, but what do you expect? Oh and make sure you have extra hooks for your hard baits, I have bent many hooks straight pulling them from snags. Best bet is one pole with mono, and another that you use for heavier stuff that has Spidewire on it.
 

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I'm with Ed,

I have tried several of the super lines including fireline and spiderwire. I like power pro the best. Way strong, solid hookset, casts great (doesn't cut into itself), plus minimal drag trolling. Floro leader material has been a problem, but... this year tried P-line florocarbon leader (CFX) and have fallen in love.

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I went last weekend to the seminar up in Loveland on fishing Carter and Horsetooth reservoirs...one of the speakers was last years walleye tournament trail rookie of the year...he is pretty much a died in the wool jig fisherman...he uses Fireline exclusively for his set up (probably gets rewarded with endorsement perk of some type)...his reccomendations were as follows...uses 10 pound fireline which is 4 pound diameter...said many guys use the 6 pound which has 2 pound diameter...since there is no stretch it allows him to feel everything with a jig...also since there is no give he uses a light action rod since a stiffer rod would allow for no give pulling the hook out of the fishes mouth...it becomes the shock absorber...he uses the bright green so he can line watch easier...since a lot of fish hit on the drop...he said the bright green hasnt made walleyes shy away...he said he uses a palomar knot and has had no problems with slippage...also uses a bit of saliva when tightening the knot as lubricant...the surprising part he does most of his walleye jig fishing in 10 feet or less...well hope the above helps...that was one pro's two cents on the subject...I took almost 5 pages of notes on tactics and locations for Horsetooth and Carter...it was a great seminar...
 
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JonnyO,

I spend ALLOT of time trolling, and i would advise you to STAY AWAYf rom fireline for that purpose!

It will DESTROY your rod guides, and you will lose more lures! There is no give (stretch), and that makes for soem ugly situations ...rods flying overboard, holes burned through seats form the line...all sorts of goodies that I hae PERSONALLY experienced!


Now, on the other hand, if your guides are not lined with plastic or porceline, and if you used quick relaese split rings (they let go of the hook instead of having the line break), and watched your rods VERY CLOSELY...you might only break or lose a FEW rods and lures!

Good luck!

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I use Fireline alot. I especially like it when i am up at Spinney or anyplace where it is really windy. It allows me to cast into the gale and stll have some control over my line.

I use a four foot section of 8lb Florocarbin as a tippet joined to the Fireline by a Blood knot. I know everyone says you have to use a back to back Uni for that purpose! I don't feel the need to goto that much trouble to tie a knot. I have caught alot of big trout and not once has the blood knot failed! And it is alot easier to tie!!! Especially if it is real windy.

I also like Berkley Sensation! It has some of the qualities of Fireline in a mono. It has less stretch than other mono's but still casts well. Thats what I have on my linecounter also.
 

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"I spend ALLOT of time trolling, and i would advise you to STAY AWAYf rom fireline for that purpose!

It will DESTROY your rod guides, and you will lose more lures! There is no give (stretch), and that makes for soem ugly situations ...rods flying overboard, holes burned through seats form the line...all sorts of goodies that I hae PERSONALLY experienced! -EyeGuy

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Eyeguy and Nawanda-I have been using braids for years and years-never had a guide fail or even get grooved. Haven't experienced rods flying overboard or damaged seats-am I doing something wrong? Honestly, you guys are talking about problems I've never experienced. I'd be lost wthout the increased sensitivity you get with braids. Walleye fishermen especially have been trolling with braids since they came out. I fish tubes and hula grubs alot and these lures were made for a low stretch line like Powerpro. To each his own I guess. Ed
 

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Ed Marcol,

There's nothing new in the fact that Fireline, PowerPro etc etc etc , etc, have almost no stretch, which is one of their premier selling points. Nonetheless, there is equally nothing new in the fact that monofilaments stretch quite a bit, and absorb plenty of sudden shocks in fighting fish. Surely you have no difficulty in grasping the fact that there are critical limits in rods, reels, lines, and rod guides. It is entirely possible to destroy equipment and damage equipment at levels of critical force. Not all fishermen, of necessity, use their equipment at levels of critical force, and others do and have. Possibly, "Everyguy" and myself, are amongst those who have done this. Those who have seen broken rods, know.

There are rods now on the market, which are fine as blanks go, but the maker skimped on rod guides. Such inexpensive guides won't stand up to much of anything, and certainly not braided lines. :D
 

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Nawanda-I hear what you're saying, just never experienced any of those problems. The knock against braids was just "urban legend" in most cases I assumed. I don't crank the drag on my reel down too tight-that way theres some give. And I mostly fish braids with a fluro leader so theres some give there as well. Guess I'm just sold on the sensitivity deal-I'm convinced I feel bites that I would miss with a stretchier line and I think I get a more solid hookset.

Line is one of those things where it all comes down to personal preference. Good fishing. Ed
 

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Ed,

I understand being sold on something. I'm not trying to to "knock" the braids or new lines. Certainly the stretch of mono can be the cause of lost fish at times. It's just in the interest of fairness to say that each does have a limitation.

These new materials have great characteristics.
I just heard a new fishing story, by the way, that might serve as an illustration. This fisherman had been catching 8 pound catfish all day, and nothing bigger. He had heavy gear for handling...you know.....60# plus fish. He was surprised at how hard these small fish were fighting and hammering his bait...he caught many over the night.....Time passes....along comes a "hit" and he raises his rod tip high, hard, and fast....so what happens? Whatever got on the end of his line, yanks back even harder than his hook set....once, twice....three times....then it took off without slowing and his line snapped like a thread.
I get all excited with stories like that. He never knew what hit, but it was gone.

The new lines have the advantage of being thin and strong. But when something really big hits....sometimes the extra yield gives me a comfort zone.

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Nawanda,

Set your drag so you line doesn't break. Any line will break beyond its designed limits or rated strength. Mono is easily nicked, cut, and abraded. Spectra fiber super lines are tougher and less prone to damage, but 10 lb is still 10 lb. My experience is 10 - 15 lb mono or floro leader break before the 10 lb power pro, excepting P-line CFX floro leader-good stuff.

The feel and hookset of power pro (and other super lines) makes the difference for me.

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Nawanda,

Sorry, I only meant that 10 lb line is 10 lb line, mono or superline. Anyone breaking rods on a fish must be putting too much pressure on the rod and if 10 lb superline breaks a rod so will 10 lb mono. My fishing partner broke a rod last summer trying to get a snag out, drag tight and thumb on the spool. I have had one cracked ceramic tippet (10 years ago) that resulted in cut line and a lost yellowtail. I don't know how it cracked, probably banging around in the boat.

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OK, I've been watching this go on WAY too long....

SInce when does something beomce an "URBAN LEGEBD" just because ONE person has not exereinced it?

Maybe, Ed, you just have not put the hours in on the water that I and Nawanda have...I don't really KNOW...BUT I can speak for my own expereince...I put in over 300 hours walleye fishing last year.

My son is a professional outfitter.

My expereinces with fireline (and other super braids), is extensive.

It's fine for casting, and maybe even dsome trolling applications...HOWEVER I have personally lost or damaged MUCH gear(AND I"M NOT TALKNG ABOUT CHEAP RODS EITHER), due to trolling along, hitting a snag and before I could do anything about it, seeing rod holders crakc, rods bend and break, seats get burned, and rods go overboard.

I understand you have not experienced it, but to accuse me of BS, is a FOUL.

WHoever poested this in thei first place was looking fro everyone's expereinces, so CAN IT if you are so narrow as tot hink you are the ONLY and the ALL of expereince on here.

Nawanda and I obviously have experinced the negative side of these lines.

The other issue with these lines is that they lose their wax like coating and fray into a slippery sort of "dental floss like" stuff, AND they can slip on the reel easily if you do not have the proper knot attaching them.

It's a good thing people don't usually take the advice of people who DON'T have the experience they are seeking, ISN'T it...otherwise, we'd ALL have to make the SAME mistakes as each OTHER.


good fishing! Even to YOU, Ed!
 
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