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i fly fish but really don't know much about fly and bubble techniques.i see some people doing real well with it on lakes. i even saw one guy on the Poudre doing it and catching fish like crazy. any advice on how to rig and techniques for fishing it after rigging? favorite flies to use?
thanks for the help. i am always looking to learn new ways to catch fish.
 

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great question i was wondering this myself i have tried before but not very much and it was a guess all the way. so i hope someone delivers some insight here.
 

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Fly and a Bubble can be a deadly technique on still water. Basically all you need is a bubble, the clear ones that have the hollow plug going down the middle to string your line through ( I usually use smaller to mid sized bubbles), and a swivel. string your line through the bubble and tie your line to the swivel then tie on a 5 or 6 foot leader (usually just use same lb flouro you have on your reel). A good rule of thumb is to use a leader as long as the rod you are using. Any longer and it can be difficult to cast without the fly getting caught on something behind you. Fill the bubble about half way with water, maybe a little more and secure the plug so the water does not come out. You want the bubble to ride just above the water making a little bit of a wake, but not under the water or not skipping on top. Cast and once the bubble hits the water I usually give it a good jerk to separate the bubble from the fly so they don't get tangled. Usually the bubble will go farther than the fly so you have to do this to get everything in line. Then real really slow and pause the bubble a few times thrughout the retrieve. Often times you will get a strike on the stall. The bubble will make a small wake and usually works better with a little bit of chop on the water. It is rather easy you just have to try it a few times. Good flies will be ones that are meant to be fished sub surface such as: Renegades, Griffiths gnats, hornberg specials, halfbacks, buggers, wolly worms and many more. I'm usually use one of the firs three. I hope this helps a little bit and hope I did not confuse you, but give it a try and you should have some success.

Good luck!

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thanks that helps. 1 more ?, do they sink so that they are directly bellow the bobber or is the sinking rate a good way to determine the retrieve speed also what species is this good for i have tried it with trout but thats it
 

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fly and bubble will work for any fish just have to change the size of fly and bubble

out at j-martin i use a 5 oz bubbles to get rattle traps out far so i can catch wipers but when the wiper are in shallow eating i use a real big fly it works
most people will look at me like what are you doing your not at the ocean fishing but it just takes one wiper to make them come and ask how are you catching those fish and what are you using
 

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I often throw dry flys with a bubble,so they just hang on top.Using some of that floatant gel helps.I agree that the hits often come on the stop,if youre using a sinking fly,it sinks nice and slow.There are many ways to experiment,like filling the bubble so it,too,sinks slowly.This can be deadly.You can cover an amazing amount of water with this technique,a water bubble on 6 lb line will outcast anything from shore!Some times the fish way out there aren't as spooky as the ones near shore.Love the bubble,rarely go without a couple on me.
 

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This time of year a #14 or 12 Hare's Ear nymph is deadly. When Calabeatis mayflies are hatching at Spinney that fly is the ticket! A #14 Prince nymph looks alot like many different insects and is very effective also.
 

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When it comes to fly and bubble, spin fly's are hard to beat when going for pan fish and trout. Many fly patterns work with this also.
 

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pistol petes are great bubble flies
 

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I like the a-just-a-bubble it's easier then having all that extra stuff on there and i love a medium sized woolly bugger.good luck
 

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With a pistol pete fill up bobber completly and let sink and retrieve slow....Deadly

This only works in non mossy conditions.

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Skud, Renegade, whoolybuggers, clossier minnows, Poppers, Bunny leaches, Sculpins, and any match the hatch flies.
 

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I read a book (I will have to find it) caught big browns at Dillion with a fly and bubble...he did it differently though if I remember correctly...he put the bubble on the bottom and had flies off droppers further off...it was his contention that the bubble didnt scare big skittish trout by coming first...I will have to see if I still have the book and publish the rig...
 

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great advice. i will give some of these a try and report any success. i knew i could find someone who knew about this on this forum. ;D
 

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good article thanks

ive noticed RMN doesnt keep all the articles for ever so here is the text of the article incase they drop it

Dentry: Dare to be a drag when fly fishing
August 26, 2005

It can be a drag out there for fly fishers, but few know how to harness the stress. Despite what you might have heard, line drag can be a good and proper thing.

Take it from a codger who remembers the virtue of dragging a fly on purpose. Specifically, that would be ye olde wet fly, a contraption of the Dark Ages.


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Drag, of course, is taboo now. It's the demon that instructors rant about in Fly Fishing 101: Never, ever let your fly sweep or swim against the grain of the current.

Unless, of course, it's a Wooly Bugger.

Fear of drag haunts us. If your guide catches you doing it, he might flog you with a willow switch. We are told to float our flies and drift our nymphs in a precise, natural way or the trout will die laughing.

Balderdash, to use an outdated word fitting for a discussion of passé flies and methods. Some trout like fast food and couldn't care less if it imitates anything at all.

That applies even to selective trout in hard-fished waters. If you don't believe it, try dragging a No. 10 King of the Waters past a pod of fish weary of watching an endless parade of dead-drifted, precisely imitative bug replicas riding fishhooks.

Even trout up on their reading aren't likely to have studied Trout, the 1938 tome by Ray Bergman. Trout was the bible of early and mid-20th century American fly fishing. It served anglers until the 1970s, when scientific angler/authors Doug Swisher and Carl Richards changed the way we fish.

Trout was the first modern textbook of fly fishing and tying. Its beautiful color plates displayed hundreds of wet flies and dozens of dries, along with a handful of streamers and primitive nymphs.

Nearly all the wet flies had swept-back wings and soft hackle beards. Modeled after traditional Atlantic salmon fly patterns, they were designed to swim in the current.

That's because, in their heyday, a fly fisher strove not to imitate trout food but to trigger a trout's predatory reflex. In fact, feeding a dead-drifted, fake nymph to a trout carried something of a stigma, like using cheese for bait.

In those days, you were good if you could tempt a fish into rising for a dry fly. But you were a hero if you could make a fish furious enough to savage a beautiful wet fly, particularly one of your own design.

The flies were multicolored and they had fun names: Artful Dodger, Claret Gnat, Parmachene Belle, Quack Doctor, Rio Grande King, Roosevelt, Undertaker, Yellow Sally and, of course, the Ray Bergman.

When author and fishing guide Todd Hosman, of Lyons, and I fished a stream in Rocky Mountain National Park last month, he evoked the hallowed Bergman name. Hosman isn't a codger, but he is part traditionalist.

He said he likes King of the Waters best among the old wet flies and often catches trout with them. The fly is dressed with a crimson floss body, gold ribbing, brown hackle and mallard flank wing and tail.

It suggests a king wearing a red robe with a train of white fur festooned with black-tipped ermine tails. What it doesn't look like is anything you might find squirming in a trout stream.

Hosman likes his wet flies fished the old way, big swing across the current after a quartering downstream cast, slow retrieve back upstream. Sometimes he slips one downstream under brush, where a cast never would reach.

"It's amazing how many fly fishermen these days never heard of down-and-across fishing," he said. "They have no clue."

Where I come from, we keep alive the old flies and ways because the better half can't see so well. Fishing down and across with wet flies works like a charm for people who are visually impaired and can't see a trout striking a dry fly or yanking a strike indicator under.

There isn't much to detect when you swim a wet fly and tickle a trout's predatory instinct. The result never is a subtle "take" but a vicious strike.

Juanita Kursevich, of Bailey, who also can't see very well, learned the method and saw the net results in rainbow trout the other day on Tarryall Creek. A King of Waters wet fly convinced her the old ways can keep her fishing.

Bergman sometimes fished his wet flies upstream on the dead drift. Mostly, though, he quartered them downstream, keeping a belly in the line so the current would swing the fly gently across the current.

Then he would walk his wet flies upstream with a slow "hand twist" retrieve he developed. You pinch the line between the left forefinger and thumb, draw it back, then pinch between the two middle fingers, draw back and repeat.

Trout usually strike when the fly swings and starts upstream, but sometimes they follow and whack it right at your toes.

Just as it says in the book.


Tried and true

? Historic wet flies were colorful and creative, and they still work.

King of the Waters

Golden Pheasant

March Brown

Royal Coachman

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Arkfisher: If you would like to find out about fly and bubble fishing then look up fliesbyguy.com web site. He will also send you a brochure if you send him your address etc. Sorry about the late response but I just found this great site last week.
 
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