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This question has crossed my mind many a time. And I've often thought, if I could decrease the number of fish an individual would take out of a lake in order to potentially create a greater catch rate per lake, larger fish an a better fishing experience over all; would I?

Now, I know there are many factors that play into this... "X" number of prey fish to support "Y" number of predator fish et cetera, but overall would I?

I love to eat fish, but I'd give-up taking fish home if it would improve the quality of fishing in this state.. so in my fantasy world, I'd say decrease the bag limit.

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I'd leave 'em where they are. I do like to take home a fish or two for the table, but there are many days when I catch way more than that -- often over the limit -- and release all but that one or two. So the limit doesn't bother me anyway. Some fish, like tiger musky if I ever catch one, I would release anyway no matter what the limit was.

Bottom line -- since I almost never butt heads with existing limits, I don't have much incentive to want to change them.

And I don't have enough knowledge about ideal numbers between predators and prey, to even make an intelligent comment about it. (Ouch! It hurt to say that!)

W. E.
 
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It all depends on the body of water. I'll leave it to the professional biologists, for the most part.

However, I'd like to see most, if not all, of the small metro are ponds be made artificial-only, strictly catch & release for largemouth and smallmouth bass. The ponds I have been able to fish with such a regulation (private) have all had outstanding fishing for larger fish - lots of 2.5 - 4 lb. fish with an occassional much bigger fish. These little metro lakes and ponds can't stand the harvest of bass if we want a truly realistic opportunity at good fishing for bass woth catching.

That my 2 cents.
 

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I agree with Don,

It depends on the body of water. I suspect Don will disagree with me on my view of Granby. I think Granby will benefit with the increase in lake trout take. IMO there are now too many small lake trout that are older fish with not enough forage base to grow. Thinning out these smaller fish may give the forage rainbows, kokanee, and suckers a chance to develop and help the remaining lake trout growt as a result. Catching fewer bigger Lakers, and more Kokanee would be ok with me. Remember most lakes in Colorado do not have separate harvest figures for lake trout vs other trout, and many of those lakes are quite healthly.

I was also amazed at the numbers of pike and the number of small pike in eleven mile a few weeks ago. In my opinion the all out harvest of pike at elevenmile has done absolutely nothing to the pike fishery.

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I think the only thing Id like to see is only C&R on all hybrid fish. My fear would be the DOW stops stocking Wiper, Tiger Muskies, Saugeye etc etc etc. and that fish at some point would be non-existent. (ie: the Q and the lack of big tigers like once before.)

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I actually think the DOW has created a fair balance for fish and fishermen alike. I bet if there was a decrease in limit, there would be more people scoring larger fish. I think that means there would be more people fishing, and some of the challenge might be lost in certain waters. I take a bit of pride when Im able to catch something, especially while others struggle; it helps stroke my tender fishing ego :).
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Its a bad fox hole to be in. But for the most part many lakes have the proper restrictions, except Granby. I wouldn't support a larger limit, with as many people that fish it wouldn't take long for the populations of smaller lakers to be completely desimated. It needs more kokes and a slot limit to protect larger fish.
 
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Granby?   What Oats said!

Yes, TALO362, I do disagree with you.  The bigger lakers in Granby and Blue Mesa have been decimated and it's clear to me that the CDOW is placing a bullseye on the remaining lake trout in that lake and in Blue Mesa.  I would like to see a slot reinstated at Granby, all fish between 26" & 36" to be released immediately, only 1 fish over 36", so we can have something worth fishing for in that lake again.

I'm no CDOW basher, but I think what they have allowed to happen to the big lake trout in Blue Mesa is criminal.  Frankly, we have enough waters in this state where Power Bait dunkers and cowbell trollers can catch a gob of 10-12" stockers and kokanee.

I want fish worth fishing for.  And Granby and Blue Mesa can produce them if allowed to.  And, yes, I dunk Power Bait on occassion, too. And I've even been known to drag a string of cowbells.

There.  I've vented.  The beaten horse is dead.  Again.  Later.
 

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I have killed many,many limits in my day. I would be for lowering all trout limits to 2 per day, only 1 over 20". I dont know what to do with wally's, cause the joy of wally fishing is eating them!
 

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Like others have said, it depends on the body of water and the stiuation. Like walking eagle said...I release 99% of my fish and would always release larger fish like muskies. I think the limits have been designed to promote the fisheries provided that they are enforced and abided by.

Case in point: One of my favorite places to fish is Dixion reservior in Fort Collins. It has about 50 zillion little largemouth in it (7-10") and the occasional larger fish (15") This is within 5 minutes of my house and I know I can go there and throw a rapala or spinnerbait for an hour or two and catch about 40 of these little guys...very entertaining. The size limit for this reservior is 15" with a bag limit of 5 fish. I have seen countless numbers of worm and bobber guys taking home over limits of well undersized fish. At this rate they'll never get big and the DOW will keep stocking little guys that get caught and taken home.
I actually talked to a ranger there a few weeks ago (first one i had seen all year) and he said that there was a guy who got busted with 30+ undersized largemouth at dixon...I guess he got a pretty stiff fine...it's a damn good thing I wasn't the ranger who caught him.
 

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i don't think it is that we need to increase or decrease limits because i think the problem is and always will be enforcement. the idiots for lack of a better word will continue to take more than their limits and keep undersize fish. i think that should be considered theft and they should be prosecuted accordingly. just my 2 cents
 
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If anyone took my last post on this thread as firing a shot at Terre (TALO362), that certainly wasn't my intent and I apologize if it came across that way. I was just venting my utter and complete exasperation at the CDOW for what it is doing to these 2 particular lakes.

I generally agree with Terre and find her posts to be thoughtful and articulate, even when we may disagree on minor details.

'Nuff said.
 

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I didn't take it like that and im sure she wouldn't either!(Not talking for her but....)



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Oh I didn't see this earlier,

I was a little suprised how stong Don's reply was. Don is always mild mannered and concise, I guess I know he is passionate about Granby and Blue Mesa. Rightfully so!
 

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Excellent points of views all!

I know that we must have "take and put lakes" to appease the masses, but how great would it be to have a couple of awesome lakes where you could opt for a greater quality of fishing and a greater potential to catch and release larger fish.... it's just wishful thinking for me.
 
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Pete said:
Excellent points of views all!

I know that we must have "take and put lakes" to appease the masses, but how great would it be to have a couple of awesome lakes where you could opt for a greater quality of fishing and a greater potential to catch and release larger fish.... it's just wishful thinking for me.
Think "Flaming Gorge". A mere 406 miles from my driveway to the Lucerne boat ramp. That's where my "tourist" dollars will be spent instead of Grand County, Colorado.

Okay, now I really am done. Really.
 

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I've often thought if you made certain lakes - such as the Delaney's - catch & release for one year you would have lakes full of hogs. On some fertile bodies of water the growth rate is up to an inch per month at times. It's probably not practical from a regulatory point of view by the DOW - and maybe not from a biological perspective. I'd be for it though. John
 

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Don, I can't say that I disagree with you. I often find that the longer away from Denver you drive the better the fishing gets. Don't get me wrong I love fising Colorado, but when I find myself with a couple of free days and can get away, I'm gerneraly driving out of state for a greater quality of fishing experience.

I've yet to visit the Gorge. If you could only make it up there just once a year, when would that be and why?
 
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I've yet to visit the Gorge. If you could only make it up there just once a year, when would that be and why?
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If I could only go once a year it would be in June. The laker fishing is excellent in May and June and if you're a smallmouth fisherman , the smallmouth fishing in June can be very good. There are plenty of rainbows and 2-4 lb. kokanee if you're into trolling.

If you're interested, there are a bunch of archived fishing reports for the Gorge at http://www.bigfishtackle.com/cgi-bin/gforum/gforum.cgi?forum=95;

Don
 
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