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An article popped up on my yahoo homepage regarding stoning for such offenses as adultery in current day iran and I made the mistake of getting curious and following links. My warning is don't........what you see will leave you disgusted and with your blood boiling fiercly. The the lack of human rights evident under sharia law just never fails to astound me. Hard to understand how humans can be so ridiculously cruel to eachother. Every one of those piles of garbage engaged in the activity in those videos deserves a more cruel end........however I would be satisfied with a snipers application of a .50 cal intervention. :mad:
 

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Sharia law doesn't just punish for adultery, what a bs response to a serious issue that we in America are soon to face.
I have watched the pundits make fun of OK. for passing restrictions to international and specifically sharia law like they were intolerant hicks ville racists.
Funny thing CAIR has now filed a lawsuit and a fed judge has struck down the election until all constitutional matters have been settled.
Sharia coming to a courtroom near you America.
 

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Sharia in New Jersey: Muslim husband rapes wife, judge sees no sexual assault because Islam forbids wives to refuse sex

Muhammad said: "If a husband calls his wife to his bed [i.e. to have sexual relation] and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning" (Bukhari 4.54.460).

He also said: "By him in Whose Hand lies my life, a woman can not carry out the right of her Lord, till she carries out the right of her husband. And if he asks her to surrender herself [to him for sexual intercourse] she should not refuse him even if she is on a camel's saddle" (Ibn Majah 1854).

And now a New Jersey judge sees no evidence that a Muslim committed sexual assault of his wife -- not because he didn't do it, but because he was acting on his Islamic beliefs: "This court does not feel that, under the circumstances, that this defendant had a criminal desire to or intent to sexually assault or to sexually contact the plaintiff when he did. The court believes that he was operating under his belief that it is, as the husband, his desire to have sex when and whether he wanted to, was something that was consistent with his practices and it was something that was not prohibited."

Luckily, the appellate court overturned this decision, and a Sharia ruling by an American court has not been allowed to stand. This time.

"Cultural Defense Accepted as to Nonconsensual Sex in New Jersey Trial Court, Rejected on Appeal," by Eugene Volokh in The Volokh Conspiracy, July 23 (thanks to CameoRed):

From today's opinion in S.D. v. M.J.R. (N.J. Super. Ct. App. Div.), a domestic restraining order case:

The record reflects that plaintiff, S.D., and defendant, M.J.R., are citizens of Morocco and adherents to the Muslim faith. They were wed in Morocco in an arranged marriage on July 31, 2008, when plaintiff was seventeen years old. [FN1] The parties did not know each other prior to the marriage. On August 29, 2008, they came to New Jersey as the result of defendant's employment in this country as an accountant....

[Long discussion of the wife's allegations of abuse, which included several instances of nonconsensual sex as well as other abuse, omitted for space reasons. -EV]

Upon their return to the apartment, defendant forced plaintiff to have sex with him while she cried. Plaintiff testified that defendant always told her

this is according to our religion. You are my wife, I c[an] do anything to you. The woman, she should submit and do anything I ask her to do.

After having sex, defendant took plaintiff to a travel agency to buy a ticket for her return to Morocco. However the ticket was not purchased, and the couple returned to the apartment. Once there, defendant threatened divorce, but nonetheless again engaged in nonconsensual sex while plaintiff cried. Later that day, defendant and his mother took plaintiff to the home of the Imam and, in the presence of the Imam, his wife, and defendant's mother, defendant verbally divorced plaintiff....[...]

While recognizing that defendant had engaged in sexual relations with plaintiff against her expressed wishes in November 2008 and on the night of January 15 to 16, 2009, the judge did not find sexual assault or criminal sexual conduct to have been proven. He stated:

This court does not feel that, under the circumstances, that this defendant had a criminal desire to or intent to sexually assault or to sexually contact the plaintiff when he did. The court believes that he was operating under his belief that it is, as the husband, his desire to have sex when and whether he wanted to, was something that was consistent with his practices and it was something that was not prohibited.

After acknowledging that this was a case in which religious custom clashed with the law, and that under the law, plaintiff had a right to refuse defendant's advances, the judge found that defendant did not act with a criminal intent when he repeatedly insisted upon intercourse, despite plaintiff's contrary wishes.

Having found acts of domestic violence consisting of assault and harassment to have occurred, the judge turned to the issue of whether a final restraining order should be entered. He found such an order unnecessary, vacated the temporary restraints previously entered in the matter and dismissed plaintiff's domestic violence action....

The appellate court reversed this absurd decision, saying:

As the judge recognized, the case thus presents a conflict between the criminal law and religious precepts. In resolving this conflict, the judge determined to except defendant from the operation of the State's statutes as the result of his religious beliefs. In doing so, the judge was mistaken.

A close call. But no doubt more of this is to come.
 

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The CAIR rep in OK. says the law will prevent the execution of his will that is sharia, doesn't that prove the point?
The same libs that denounce any Judeo Christian influence in this country are embracing the defence of radical sharia law.
This may not be judicial activism but it is very close.
 

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The term implies using the bench to influence an agenda IMO. In this case the will of 70% of the voters may be overturned.
In Iowa 3 judges responsible for allowing gay marriage were shown the door as a result of their activism.
Some will say it doesn't exist but there are plenty of cases that to me prove otherwise.
I'm sure yours is different than mine ::)
 

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FunkMasterSnowshoe said:
What was this judge's agenda?

On a related note, what is the basis for outlawing gay marriage?
This judge may not have an agenda regarding sharia law but has derailed the will of the majority of voters in the state of OK. time will tell on the reasoning I guess.
Do you disagree that judges attempt to influence law according to their views/agendas?
I guess you are now jumping to assumptions with the belief that gay marriage was legal to start with?
 

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An article popped up on my yahoo homepage regarding stoning for such offenses as adultery in current day iran and I made the mistake of getting curious and following links. My warning is don't........what you see will leave you disgusted and with your blood boiling fiercly. The the lack of human rights evident under sharia law just never fails to astound me. Hard to understand how humans can be so ridiculously cruel to eachother. Every one of those piles of garbage engaged in the activity in those videos deserves a more cruel end........however I would be satisfied with a snipers application of a .50 cal intervention. :mad:
I've read through the laws as they apply over there and I agree, it's something that I would never fathom here, but something that proves there are no equal human rights for men and women in areas where this is practiced.
 

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UNREPENTANT SINNER said:
This judge may not have an agenda regarding sharia law but has derailed the will of the majority of voters in the state of OK.
Sometimes that's what judges are supposed to do, to prevent "tyrrany of the majority".
 

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If you read green thumbs post you will see a case that had to be overturned by a higher court. That case of multiple rape did not come with a conviction. I don't know if it was retried but justice was not done despite the ruling being overturned if the man walked free.
sharia 1
US law 0
 

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Yep lots of tyranny in the US and OK law not much in that sharia law that they were trying to prevent being recognized.
Sometimes that's what judges are supposed to do, to prevent "tyrrany of the majority".
Kind of like that election a few years ago huh?? ::)
 

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Quotes from the shovanistic Quaran and/or Bible always make me shake my head. Folks actually believe that man... MAN got the word of God and just put it down on paper...just as God said it, and wanted it....This simply baffles me.
 

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Oyey said:
Quotes from the shovanistic Quaran and/or Bible always make me shake my head. Folks actually believe that man... MAN got the word of God and just put it down on paper...just as God said it, and wanted it....This simply baffles me.
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Though I hate to (A) Agree with you, and (B) speak out against religion, This is a thought that has gone through my head as well.
 

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I don't know, so please don't think Im saying this as fact, but isn't gay marriage just not recognized because of the definition of marriage is between a man and a woman? I really don't know, I don't doubt that some states may have passed such laws, but Im not sure that all or majority has.?
 

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Oyey and Green Thumb, maybe I'm missing something. Are you saying that the very idea of God being able to inspire through men his message in the Scriptures is unthinkable to you? (Why couldn't God do that, especially if there is solid evidence for it?) Or are you saying that specific things contained in the Bible are what make you disbelieve the idea? Just asking (friendly).

(Got to go. I'll check in later.)
 

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Yep lots of tyranny in the US and OK law not much in that sharia law that they were trying to prevent being recognized.
Sometimes that's what judges are supposed to do, to prevent "tyrrany of the majority".
Kind of like that election a few years ago huh?? ::)
Some of you Right WingNuts get your panties in a bunch over the nuttiest stuff. When do you suppose an Oklahoma court last decided a case based on Sharia law?? I'm willing to bet that the answer is "Never". Another 100 years from now, the answer still would have been "Never".

So, what happened?

Some of your fellow Right WingNuts in the Oklahoma legislature started wringing their hands over this issue for God-knows-what reason and came up with this goofy and completely unnecessary proposed constitutional amendment, which the legislature then put on the ballot for a vote of the people. Although it technically prohibits the courts from "looking to" [whatever that is supposed to mean] "the legal precepts of other nations or cultures", it goes on to say "Specifically, the courts shall not consider international or Sharia Law".

So, the legislature created a "problem" where there was none and created a "fix" that singled out a particular religion by name to stigmatize, and then asked the people of Oklahoma to bless this idiocy. There was lots of anti-muslim fear-mongering as part of the ad campaigns in favor of it, and the state ended up with this stupid amendment, that may well run afoul of the US Constitution.

Groups stigmatized by the law ask the Federal Court to block its enforcement, and the judge rightly concludes that there is probably a problem with its constitutionality, and correctly stays its enforcement until a full hearing on the merits can be held.

And you call this a case of "judicial activism"? You people are f#^king nuts. Absolutely and completely gunny-bag nuts.
 

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Sorry your topic got derailed, Jeremy. That seems to happen around here a lot these days.

The capacity of people everywhere for unspeakable cruelty, our country included, leaves me shaking my head often.
 
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