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daiwafan, while I do very much support your civic-mindednes, and am personally in favor of increased angler access, I would like to point out that "greenies" are not quite the boogiemen some would paint them. It is even conceivable that an angler may also be a "greenie," and that "greenie" objectives do sometimes overlap nicely with fishermen's needs. (bringing back historic flows, combating invasive species, streamside vegetation restoration, monitoring pollution sources, responsible limits on angler harvest, etc.)

The angler in me can see no reason why a reservoir should not be made available to anglers, as it does not represent sensitive habitat... I hope that you and anyone else inclined to fish there will be able to do so.

Nighthorse? good lord, that sounds like a great band name. ;D

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All I can say is that public lakes should be open to the public for fishing, ice fishing, and at the very least non motorized boating. To keep public watershed lakes closed to public access is pure communism. We own the lakes, not the officials, not the government.
 

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Just because WE own the lakes doesn't mean YOU can do whatever the hell you want with them.
 

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Iceintheveins, I admire the enthusiasm with which you apply yourself! May I simply point out this small fact? Communism aims for a classless society structured upon communal ownership. It seeks to establish societal integration of the means of production, common ownership of goods produced, and the end of private property.

I am in no way advocating communism, which history has proven to be fundamentally problematic with regard to implementation. I would simply encourage you to do a little reading prior to holding forth on a topic you demonstrate tenuous knowledge of.

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Communism in practice never aimed for a classless society-their ruling class was for all intents and purposes an aristocracy and acted like royalty. They were afforded benefits and goodies not available to the people they ruled. I believe that was what Ice in the veins is referring to.

It took decades to open a few lakes on Pikes Peak to public use-lakes which the city fathers and utility personnel fished on a regular basis while denying access to the rest of us. All in the name of a supposed concern for damage to the environment. They are in the process of delaying access to much of the southern side of Pikes peak to the public-again, all in the name of concern for big horn sheep and the environment.
 

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Kirbydog, your point concerning the hypocritical behavior of "communist leaders," (itself a term very much at odds with communist doctrine!) is well taken. History is of course replete with examples of selfish "communist leaders." I would consider that issue to have been addressed by the statement that communism has "proven problematic with regard to implementation," though perhaps you do not?

I think communists are at best naive, and at worst dishonest about their objectives. I am certain we will find here few to defend communism with any great enthusiasm!

It has been said that no one ever lost money betting against the intelligence of the public. I would add the idea that the average person is greedy in addition to being stupid. There really are some places that have more value in isolation. I may not like that fact on a personal level, due to my own basic greed and stupidity, but even I can see the utility of such an idea... we are a fecund species, and within our lifetime the bill will come due. It is my fault, and yours. With our consumption we have provided a model for future generations to emulate.

It will be a cluster**** when everyone in China drives a car.

I have no idea of the situation with the lakes you mentioned. From your description, it does very much sound like a violation of the public trust. People in office have an established tradition of violating the public trust, so that comes as no surprise! But it does seem possible that the lakes you speak of represent systems easily damaged and not easily repaired. If that is not the case I seen no reason why they could not be opened to the public, but you and I both know how fast a place goes downhill when the throng is loosed upon it.

I don't know if you have ever been to the Thornton gravel pit ponds. They never represented sensitive habitat to begin with, but they USED to be wonderful, fishy spots. Now they are a trashed out put-and-take parody of their former state. So much for the elusive "responsible public" in that case...

Just to be clear, I am all in favor of access for responsible, well behaved anglers. No doubt many of the people on this site represent that demographic perfectly. But (I am sorry to say) I do not think they represent the majority. Maybe you are more optimistic than I am?

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The whole state is put and take because of poor management. Lets stock slimers in every hole we can. Im expecting some of the large puddles that are in walmart parking lots are to be next.

If the state used some common sense and stocked self sustaining populations of warm water pan fish there would be more to fish for.

Im so glad I moved.

As for whining at me for saying "greenies". When they try to block snowmobile trails, whine about motor noise, spit at me when I ride the back country they are the problem, not some noise pollution.

I was just pointing it out so maybe just maybe there could be some effect on it for the anglers. Its crap spewed from people like you that keep me from posting here.

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daiwafan, I sent you an email. If you did not get it, please PM me so we can talk.

I have made the effort to write in a way that made it clear I am NOT representing a "side" but that we can look at things from more than one angle. I was raised with the idea that in America we can represent ourselves without fear of personal attack. I sincerely apologize if I have offended anyone with anything I have said; that was never my intent.


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Re: Need to push so you have more water to fish! Comment on this before the gree

FunkMasterSnowshoe said:
Just because WE own the lakes doesn't mean YOU can do whatever the hell you want with them.
No one ever said that. But fishing access does not ruin a watershed.
 

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Iceintheveins, I admire the enthusiasm with which you apply yourself! May I simply point out this small fact? Communism aims for a classless society structured upon communal ownership. It seeks to establish societal integration of the means of production, common ownership of goods produced, and the end of private property.

I am in no way advocating communism, which history has proven to be fundamentally problematic with regard to implementation. I would simply encourage you to do a little reading prior to holding forth on a topic you demonstrate tenuous knowledge of.

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Please do not lecture me on what communism is. Communism and socialism means increased government regulation and over regulation that ends a free society. Excess government regulation often borders on socialism rather than a constitutional republic. It's just another form of tyranny. Perhaps if I use the word tyranny there will be less confusion. Our country is becoming a soft tyranny, one in which "benevolent" government bureaucrats get to decide policy based on "what's best for us" rather than the will of the people and also in bypassing elected officials.
 

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My dear fellow, let us not assume I have thus far lectured you on anything. I would not do so in this format, but were I to do so it would be immediately apparent and unambiguous.

Words have meaning. When you use the wrong meaning for a particular word you may rightly expect to be corrected. I corrected you on the accepted definition of a system of governance. It is open for you to challenge that definition, and in fact I welcome any attempts you may make to do so.

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Swimbait-I too am discusted by the way some anglers(who should be conservation minded) treat what they are allowed to enjoy. I see trash most everywhere I fish. You could greatly increase fines and punishment for this type of behavior but I doubt that would change much.

Some people are just slobs and don't care. I don't know what you do about that-but if you use that as an excuse to limit access to a particular body of water you could use that argument to close every body of water in the state.

Not every problem has a solution.
 

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kirbydog, I 99% agree with you on the idea that not every problem has a solution. (1% gives me room to wiggle!)

There is also the fact that not every solution has a problem. That is the seed of overregulation.

Thank you for your civil tone. You are a gentleman. :)

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There are already fish in the lake. Some native fish made it into the lake before the fill started. So since there are some Chub and Minnows in it, and they are a few years old now, it will throw a wrench in stocking it. The number of fish and ages of the fish is making biologists think the fish have reproduced in the lake. They probably were in the small impoundment ponds used as dust abatment water during the building of the dam.

Amazingly, best guess is the fish were pumped up and over the ridge from the Animas in a small irrigation pump and pump lines, like you would see in a farm field. The pump was used to supply enough water for dust when water shed wasn't enough.

The lake's outlet works is designed to kill most fish that pass through. The gates basically should turn the fish into sushi when they pass through. Testing is going on to prove how well they work. If they kill all the fish that pass through, fry will be the hardest to kill, then it opens the lake up to more stocking options. The biologists want to be sure non native species can't escape from the lake to the Animas.

So there is a lot going on behind the scenes in deciding what will be stocked in the lake.

The lake is pretty featureless. The only structure is deep in the lake where construction took fill dirt from. Sort of similar to the old quarry pits in Chatfield. I got a picture of the Lake before fill up, but it is not letting me attach it. Not sure how good of a fishery it will become.

Lake bottom:

On the dam looking east:

Looking north from south, top of dam. Flat, gray area in the middle of the picture is one of the proposed boat launch sites:

Flat, featureless. Water will come up almost to the trees:
 

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If your idiodic title were not so objective, you might get support from all sportsmen, not just the ones whom you agree with politically... ::)
 

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Yup must be the title...Not the fact that the short sitedness in this state stocks trash fish into reservoirs that cannot sustain them. Then cries they have no funding. Then excludes a large populous of anglers from usage of publicly funded waters. Then eradicates self sustaining species to save chubs.

Im willing to be theres a better chance that the outlet will be clogged with granola than the lake gets proper public usage. Its the focus on semantics and "offensive terms" and a lack of action on the part of anglers that will ultimately create another inaccessible or wasted body of water. Rather than whining at what I wrote for a title why not step up and make sure that you can get access to another piece of "should be" public water.

Sad part is that post and the comments section had been around a while for this lake, and someone that no longer lives there had to be the one to inform the fisherman on this site about it.

Have fun im done with it.
 

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Just think Chris, you could have been a Marine!

And you been fishin' Ivie long enough, how come you can't catch Bobbie Gayle? You gonna let a WOMEN show you up like that son?

awe man, just pallin' around buddy, you know we love ya, right?
 

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I have no idea what your talkin about I fished Ivie once? I lived in Colorado till April this year. Like I said worry about semantics and watch another lake slip out of the hands of anglers.
 
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