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May I please ask what seems to me a very basic question? I am totally open to being shown what I am not seeing.

Over and over I have read the comment people make about how they no longer post fishing reports b/c of the whole hot-spotting problem. Of course I get this if the pictures shown clearly & easily identify the place. It also makes sense when certain individuals have become too strongly associated with a particluar body of water (e.g. Rivrunnr w/ P-lo, Shuyak w/Granby, & others). But what I don't understand is why in the majority of cases one can't simply take & post pics that do not reveal the spot in question. It's not that hard, is it? Didn't Solesearcher basically do that all last year? Hasn't Slayerfish done it a ton? IOW, what am I not realizing? Why does wanting to prevent hot-spotting = not posting at all?

(If I'm just being dense, thanks for having mercy on my stupidity and helping straighten me out. Much obliged.)
 

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Because people aren't stupid, Hop. They'll figure the location out. Then try to squeeze into your favorite spots.

Why not post general info? Like lures, colors, depth, presentation, etc.?
Because there are too many trophy hunters and fish killers that hang around these sites. Why would you want to help those people?

Much better to make friends on these sites and share info privately with those you trust will not abuse it, IMHO.

That's my feeling.
 

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Thanks for the response, and I am not disagreeing with this:

gofindyourowndamnfish said:
Much better to make friends on these sites and share info privately with those you trust will not abuse it, IMHO.
I'm a little more skeptical, apparently, about a judiciously presented report being traceable (in many cases, I mean). Maybe I'm just naive, or not too bright, or both. ;)
 

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gofindyourowndamnfish said:
Because people aren't stupid, Hop. They'll figure the location out. Then try to squeeze into your favorite spots.

Why not post general info? Like lures, colors, depth, presentation, etc.?
Because there are too many trophy hunters and fish killers that hang around these sites. Why would you want to help those people?

Much better to make friends on these sites and share info privately with those you trust will not abuse it, IMHO.

That's my feeling.
I agree with this!! I dont think there is anything wrong with posting a picture if you have the location clearly not identified. Although be careful because even rocks on the ground can give up the location. These sites are about making people better fisherman, not mass advertising of where they are being caught or at least that is how it should be, however Fish Exploiter feels different.
 

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Hop said:
I'm a little more skeptical, apparently, about a judiciously presented report being traceable (in many cases, I mean). Maybe I'm just naive, or not too bright, or both. ;)
You underestimate the ingenuity and persistence of some of us. :D
 

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I agree with this post as well - and was the same point I tried to make on the other site.

Is posting a picture of that big fish worth exposing a smaller body of water and attracting crowds?

If you must show your nice catch - keep some of the specifics to yourself. The average information hogs can't always figure out where you are. Especially when people black out the backgrounds and whatnot.

I think what happens is when someone who rarely goes fishing, and catches a nice one, they get excited to go brag about it online, unaware of the consequences...
 

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I'm a little more skeptical, apparently, about a judiciously presented report being traceable (in many cases, I mean). Maybe I'm just naive, or not too bright, or both. ;)
If you don't identify the body of water, the lure or bait, the depth, presentation, and you edit all identifying info out of the pictures then you are just left with a "Look at what I caught" post.

Nobody cares about seeing one of those, unless the catch is truly remarkable. Even then, most people would ***** about the lack of information.
 

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Hop said:
I'm a little more skeptical, apparently, about a judiciously presented report being traceable (in many cases, I mean). Maybe I'm just naive, or not too bright, or both. ;)
If you don't identify the body of water, the lure or bait, the depth, presentation, and you edit all identifying info out of the pictures then you are just left with a "Look at what I caught" post.

Nobody cares about seeing one of those, unless the catch is truly remarkable. Even then, most people would ***** about the lack of information.
So how about compromise with a post such as...

"Got a couple LMBs at a local pond - using a jig 'n' pig with a craw trailer - slow action, jigging off rocks. Bass in roughly 10 FOW - got about 5 on the day ranging from 12-16inches..."

Nothing is given away while still educating folks of what was working... ???
 

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Weezy said:
gofindyourowndamnfish said:
Hop said:
I'm a little more skeptical, apparently, about a judiciously presented report being traceable (in many cases, I mean). Maybe I'm just naive, or not too bright, or both. ;)
If you don't identify the body of water, the lure or bait, the depth, presentation, and you edit all identifying info out of the pictures then you are just left with a "Look at what I caught" post.

Nobody cares about seeing one of those, unless the catch is truly remarkable. Even then, most people would ***** about the lack of information.
So how about compromise with a post such as...

"Got a couple LMBs at a local pond - using a jig 'n' pig with a craw trailer - slow action, jigging off rocks. Bass in roughly 10 FOW - got about 5 on the day ranging from 12-16inches..."

Nothing is given away while still educating folks of what was working... ???
You can even add what color jig, water temp, size of rocks, weather conditions, kind of line use, brand of jig, scents, and all kinds of things. Or you can do what Slayerfish did and clearly show the location of a good catch and have 35 people fishing there the next day who are to lazy to find their own successful locations
 

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HOP, I've had people send me print screen shots of google earth...at first asking for info, and then pissed because I didn't want to provide it....On more than one occasion.

I've received PM's stating..."My Grandmother's father's in town and I'd really love to get him into..." Go ahead and fill in the blank..I know...a little bit of exageration...but not much.

I read how posters tell people to ask for locations via PM's...not on the open forum...Why? Do they really know those people asking, and are their fishing practices as far as C&R similar to your own? How many friends do they have...and how many friend's friends are there? And other than wanting some information...are they really your friend at all?

I love to post hiking pics...but oftentimes at my best lakes...I'll post only smaller fish..or no fish at all. I post because I love to share something I'm passionate about, and I'd hope more people would get out there and experiance it for themselves. However, very rarely do I know what's there before I get there...and with a genuine find, I don't want to draw anyone a map.

When I see someone post about a favorite spot that I've fished for years, all I can do is hope it fades off the page right away.

It seems to me that with the advent of the internet, people spend more time searching for proven spots, rather than searching out spots on their own...learnng the lakes ...one by one...learning how to fish the seasons at those lakes. What some of us have spent years learning, while traveling countless miles, others receive with a simple click of a mouse, or a PM to a stranger..
 

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Weezy said:
So how about compromise with a post such as...

"Got a couple LMBs at a local pond - using a jig 'n' pig with a craw trailer - slow action, jigging off rocks. Bass in roughly 10 FOW - got about 5 on the day ranging from 12-16inches..."

Nothing is given away while still educating folks of what was working... ???
Post whatever you want. In most instances, that probably wouldn't hurt, unless you've let it slip in the past as to what your favorite waters are. Like I said, don't underestimate the ingenuity and persistence of people who really want to figure out where you're fishing. But, why do you want to help the fish killers at all?

I've learned my lesson. For the most part, I just don't post reports any more and only share info with true friends. But that's just me. (And my friends. :D)

Hobiecat just summed up my feelings in his post.
 

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HOP, I've had people send me print screen shots of google earth...at first asking for info, and then pissed because I didn't want to provide it....On more than one occasion.

I've received PM's stating..."My Grandmother's father's in town and I'd really love to get him into..." Go ahead and fill in the blank..I know...a little bit of exageration...but not much.

I read how posters tell people to ask for locations via PM's...not on the open forum...Why? Do they really know those people asking, and are their fishing practices as far as C&R similar to your own? How many friends do they have...and how many friend's friends are there? And other than wanting some information...are they really your friend at all?

I love to post hiking pics...but oftentimes at my best lakes...I'll post only smaller fish..or no fish at all. I post because I love to share something I'm passionate about, and I'd hope more people would get out there and experiance it for themselves. However, very rarely do I know what's there before I get there...and with a genuine find, I don't want to draw anyone a map.

When I see someone post about a favorite spot that I've fished for years, all I can do is hope it fades off the page right away.

It seems to me that with the advent of the internet, people spend more time searching for proven spots, rather than searching out spots on their own...learnng the lakes ...one by one...learning how to fish the seasons at those lakes. What some of us have spent years learning, while traveling countless miles, others receive with a simple click of a mouse, or a PM to a stranger..
This is just an awesome post. Especially the last paragraph.
 

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hobiecat said:
It seems to me that with the advent of the internet, people spend more time searching for proven spots, rather than searching out spots on their own...learnng the lakes ...one by one...learning how to fish the seasons at those lakes. What some of us have spent years learning, while traveling countless miles, others receive with a simple click of a mouse, or a PM to a stranger..
EXACTLY! 8)

... I like to help out others all I can, where the fishery & water can take it. ... if not, I do not post at all.
 

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i use to post alot but not anymore i'll still post bigger lakes that arent a secret but not smaller places i;ve got burned to many times by people i thought i could trust
 

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Some good comments, with which I agree, but I feel some of you guys are kind of missing the point of what I was saying ... and I don't feel like having another go at it. It's ok. :)
 

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I think I know what you are trying to say, but as Don keeps eluding to, far TOO many can still figure it out!

... and say you do just give general details and black out everything else...then you get biaitched at for doing that! :D

Seriously, it is too fine a line to draw...so just as catfishking stated as well, just do it where the fishery can handle it, because no matter how you coat it with your personal ethics, there are thousands and thousands of others that are just lurking and try to get that easy info from "McDonalds!" ;D
 

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Not to turn this into a rant . . . well, actually yeah >:D




I posted a few ice fishing reports on another site.. When asked if I could disclose the spot, I replied that I might by e-mail.

Recieved 4 e-mails. E-mailed all of them, answering questions, and providing lake specific tips.

1 e-mailed me back... to ask for more info, which I provided.

Of the 4 none of them e-mailed back a thanks ???






Another time I posted (same site), a member asked about a location. I had read reports from them before, and I'd answer in e-mail. I recieved a bunch of e-mails. 3 claiming to be the member I told I'd tell :eek: Seriously..







A guy pm'd me on here about some ponds. (It was like hobiecat's "I need to get my grandfather into some fish" type of deal Well, I post a lot of reports, and wasn't sure of what report they asking about. So I reply back, that I wasn't sure what ponds they were asking about. However, I had just fished another spot w/ a lot of action. Told them the spot, asked if they'd keep the hot bite on the down low, and wished them luck.

Next day, I find another pm asking for more info. Figure I'd reply a little later. Check out the other site, only to see a post from someone w/ the same user name (that pm'd me here) asking all about the place I pm'd him about.. (You try to help somebody.. :-\)








Another pm from here.. Saying they like all my reports from a certain spot, and they've tried to figure out where it is for awhile, but can't.. If I tell them, they'll keep it a secret, and never even post on it..

I not only tell them, but say it's fine to post on it, just don't name it..

A year later, same guy not only names it in a report, but the report is a live one from his cell phone! :mad:
 

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I feel pretty much the way Dave feels here. Good post hobie.

Another problem is this:

Say you post a report with pics that don't show where you are fishing. But you made friends/acquaintances with people on the forum....they are going to ask you. I don't wanna feel bad for telling my buddies to fack off...and I certainly don't wanna lie to them....but some spots are just too good to risk having a bunch of idiots find out about it if one of them talks. There is probably only 4 or so individuals that I will divulge a lot of information to.

I do post reports though. Just go look at last summer >:D I would say that I post 75% of my reports. The SLAYERFISH in me wants to post those other 25% really reallly bad.....but I just can't bring myself to do it :D :D :D

And 100% of my reports don't name specific spots on the lake and oftentimes not even the lake name. I have just been burned too many times. When I was a n00b on here, I posted a few wiper reports that had background pictures posted. The very next couple days, there were 10x more people there than usual and a couple of them even asked me if I was Rivrunnr from CF.

The Internet can be a bad bad thing.
 

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I think I know what you are trying to say, but as Don keeps eluding to, far TOO many can still figure it out!
First of all, nice to have you on here, Marty. Feel like it's been a little while, but I just may have missed you.

Re. you comment, with all due respect, I say "no way!". If I want to disguise a fishing location (badly enough, that's the key) in a report, of course I can -- unless factors besides visual evidence would ID it - as I mentioned before - in which case I wouldn't post it anyway. I don't even need Photoshop. I'm surprised this point is even controversial. Some posters here on CF do this regularly. I also disagree with the idea that such a report (i.e. one that doesn't give away the farm) is worthless and boastful. I for one really enjoy seeing 'what's out there' sometimes -- it can be inspiring, even if I haven't a clue where it is. But usually I would try to include at least some helpful tips. If people then give me flack for not divulging more info, that's no fun, sure . . . but I think it's their problem, and only makes me gladder I presented it the way I did.

Personally, I think the bigger risk BY FAR is that those few "trusted friends" you have told will eventually talk and not keep mum. For example, I have an exciting new catfish spot that I have only told one, uno, person about. If I ever post from there, it's not my post that I'm worried about, it's that my 'confidant' will (accidentally or on purpose) let it slip.

BTW, I don't mean to imply by the above paragraph that I therefore would decide never to tell anyone else of a great spot. To me that is kindness and friendship, if wisely handled. I'm just saying that humans are fallible and not always 100% reliable.

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Sorry Hop, back to your ?


Confession... :-[

My buddy Matt can name a Bass pond from looking at backgrounds of cattails, bushes, or even rocks on the shore-line. It blows my mind, by really..

Whenever I see a Tangler or Hummus Cannibus report. I e-mail a link to my friend Heather (flyangler, hiker, mt. climber), and most of the time she can tell me where they were (sorry guys ;D)


I like to include the background in reports as much as possable. In my opinion it makes a better picture, and I hope people that fish the same spots as me get a little more out of it..

However, in my last report, some clown had to say "nice pictures of ---- lake"

So right now I'm not sure of what I'll be doing report-wise. I really don't care about the last one, it was a decent sized lake, but pretty sure I don't want to be taking chances of anyone doing the same to me (naming spot in reply) if I start posting my recent and future Bass fishing...
 
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