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Spending a dime, a minute or anything else on preserving the most useless fish in CO is lame... I will never understand the appeal of kokes... never.
 

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Oyey said:
Spending a dime, a minute or anything else on preserving the most useless fish in CO is lame... I will never understand the appeal of kokes... never.
Though Blue Mesa also has rainbow and brown trout, and the mackinaw have a following of big-fish specialists, salmon have attracted by far the largest number of fishermen. An economic study in 2004 indicated that while fishing at Blue Mesa had an economic impact of $8 million per year in Gunnison County, 80 percent of it came from salmon fishermen.

In addition to recreational opportunities, spawning runs of salmon from Blue Mesa upriver to the Roaring Judy hatchery above Almont have provided half the eggs for stocking kokanee into 26 other waters across the state. Salmon fishing adds an estimated $29 million a year to Colorado's economy, according to the DOW.
There's your answer right there. Money, money, money, money, money....moooooonaaaay!
 

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Hmmmm... I guess I could kina see it. Seems to me like kokes are the only fish people can post limits of them caught and kept, and NO ONE cries like a girl about it. :D :D :D

Personally, I'm with you Oyey...I don't see the appeal. I've never targeted them nor have I ever caught any.

But if the DOW says they're crucial, it must be so...yeah? ;D
 

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Wasn't that 80% just 60-65% last year in all the articles???

I read the economic impact report from last year and asked that PR guy how it was decided salmon bring in what percentage....he said a very credible company does the computer study. No specific answer though....all I could find was fishing as a whole brings that money to the area....Never saw any specifics brought out in the report of what fly fishing, versus boat fishing, versus, salmon, versus lakers brings specifically. We always see specifics though...where do those come from in every article on the subject???

I also wonder how the percentage of fishermen for specifically lakers would change if stats from creel surveys also included October to April ice fishing instead of just the salmon season of May to October???
 

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Claiming that koke fishing brings in X amount without subtracting the cost of raising them is disingenuous. If raising that fish is such a windfall then maybe they should increase their efforts to the level of our states shortfalls and then our budget problems would disappear ::) At least do it to the level of self funding for the DOW.
I'm sure all their Koke operations are self funded with that kind of income.
 

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Mrwigglestheworm said:
Oyey said:
Spending a dime, a minute or anything else on preserving the most useless fish in CO is lame... I will never understand the appeal of kokes... never.
Though Blue Mesa also has rainbow and brown trout, and the mackinaw have a following of big-fish specialists, salmon have attracted by far the largest number of fishermen. An economic study in 2004 indicated that while fishing at Blue Mesa had an economic impact of $8 million per year in Gunnison County, 80 percent of it came from salmon fishermen.

In addition to recreational opportunities, spawning runs of salmon from Blue Mesa upriver to the Roaring Judy hatchery above Almont have provided half the eggs for stocking kokanee into 26 other waters across the state. Salmon fishing adds an estimated $29 million a year to Colorado's economy, according to the DOW.
There's your answer right there. Money, money, money, money, money....moooooonaaaay!
spot on...
i don't know much about the politics involved in this debate, but you can bet that there are plenty on both sides. i won't weigh in on one side or the other for that reason. the above quote hits the nail on the head though imo.
i have fished the mesa for many years and have seen a drastic decrease in boaters and fisherman over the last 5-7 years due to the decrease in koke numbers, for what ever reason. i personally think that it has more to do with allowing them to swim from the hatchery rather than stocking them as in years past... but what do i know. i feel the macks and mack fishermen are getting a raw deal by being blamed in full for the decline :-\
 

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UNREPENTANT SINNER said:
Claiming that koke fishing brings in X amount without subtracting the cost of raising them is disingenuous. If raising that fish is such a windfall then maybe they should increase their efforts to the level of our states shortfalls and then our budget problems would disappear ::) At least do it to the level of self funding for the DOW.
I'm sure all their Koke operations are self funded with that kind of income.
How much of that $8M do you think the DOW actually receives? Very little. It is the beer, lodging, gas, food, tackle, etc that is purchased that fugures into the $8M figure. Unless there is a new tax of over 50% that I am not aware of, self funding of the Kokanee operation or an impact to the State budget will not occur. Ask the small business owner in Gunnison County what kokanee in BM mean to him.
 

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ClackaRam said:
UNREPENTANT SINNER said:
Claiming that koke fishing brings in X amount without subtracting the cost of raising them is disingenuous. If raising that fish is such a windfall then maybe they should increase their efforts to the level of our states shortfalls and then our budget problems would disappear ::) At least do it to the level of self funding for the DOW.
I'm sure all their Koke operations are self funded with that kind of income.
How much of that $8M do you think the DOW actually receives? Very little. It is the beer, lodging, gas, food, tackle, etc that is purchased that fugures into the $8M figure. Unless there is a new tax of over 50% that I am not aware of, self funding of the Kokanee operation or an impact to the State budget will not occur. Ask the small business owner in Gunnison County what kokanee in BM mean to him.
welcome back Clack LOL, good point so why is the CDOW so hell bent on Kokes then? Chamber of Commerce in Gunnison holding a gun to there head? So some impact to DOW is allot of out of state fishing license sales? Lets go with this , how about adding a Trophy Lake trout stamp? you go to alaska and if you want to harvest a king you must buy a king stamp. How about a $10 trophy lake trout stamp, you want to harvest a 38" Lake trout you must have a stamp? Should sell allot of them since allot of bubbas will want cat food ! cannot beat a big laker for that! That $10 can go directly to the roaring Judy to raise more lake trout chow..(kokes).
 

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8 mill and 80% from kokanee anglers?? That means the Rainbow, brown, lake trout, perch and fly anglers are out numbered 8 to 1, sounds pretty far fetched, and 29 million statewide? that means there are 4 other areas as good or better then Blue for kokanee?? Do they exist or do any even come close?? In the northwest part of the state the kokanee anglers are the minority. This same old bias research is not palatable. If they had the common sense to work with there best management tool (anglers) rather then against them the solution would come much easier. How many times and how long has no enforcement on kokanee limits and harassment on the river come up as a problem they continue to ignore? The continual disregard to all angler input, failure to use the basic management tools like lowering the limit on kokes or closing the river during the fall run and there latest mistake of taking out the large fish guarantees failure.
 

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How much of that $8M do you think the DOW actually receives? Very little. It is the beer, lodging, gas, food, tackle, etc that is purchased that fugures into the $8M figure. Unless there is a new tax of over 50% that I am not aware of, self funding of the Kokanee operation or an impact to the State budget will not occur. Ask the small business owner in Gunnison County what kokanee in BM mean to him.
I guess I should have printed SARCASIM bold in my post.
The point is we keep hearing about the great value the kokes have in the economy but it is never quantified with any fact. The sporting economy is no doubt important to the state but to say that kokenee bring in almost 30 million a year as an attempt to bolster the policy at BM is bunk without taking into account the other factors involved.
 

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This is completely anecdotal, and it leaves the door open to wide interpretations of the data:

http://cofarmbureaublog.wordpress.com/2010/11/29/private-fish-hatcheries-create-billions-of-dollars-in-economic-activity/

If the private fish growers contirbute $250M in economic activity towards recreational fishing in CO, what about the fish that come from State hatcheries?

I have worked with the Utah DWR in the past. They commissioned a report that can be obtained here: http://www.southwickassociates.com/free-reports (see 2006 Utah).

If my memory is correct the study showed that angling in Utah generated over $700M anually. This was on par with the Utah ski industry. This was a state with 1/2 the population of Colo, and not as much water. So for the DOW to cite $8M related to fishing at BM (largest body of water in CO) is not too far fetched in my opinion.

Any idea of the annual expenditure in CO?
 

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Hell I think the 8 million dollar figure might be in line, my problem is them attributing 6 million of it to koke fisherman.
These private hatcheries interest me, are these fish released into creeks and streams? Warm or cold water species? Ponds in flood plains? Are they certified disease free? If they are released to the wild how is their dispersal regulated to keep them seperate from pure strains of fish.
For that kind of money to be made there has to be an ass load of fish released in addition to what the states and feds do, be interesting to know where they go.
 

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"Salmon fishing adds an estimated $29 million a year to Colorado's economy, according to the DOW."

Wait, What? NO eff'in way. This makes it sound like Salmon fishing in Colo brings in $29m/yr
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