Don't understand your question past the "spend millions on political ads" part.....The Situation said:Do you believe that the unions should spend millions on political ads, and then beg the govt for more money, or fire workers because they can't afford their pensions?
I guess my first question is how does your current pay compare to others doing your same job in your industry. Were your wages inflated while you were on the union side of the shop?IFSHDOU2? said:Was a member of the "Retail Clerks Local 7" for about 35+ years. Went through periods of great leadership as well as crappy leadership, but I always believed they were there for the betterment of all thier members.
I now have a "non-union" position in the same company with which I had my union membership. My obsevations as such is that they treat most of these non union employees with about the ideals as they did with all the unionized membership. EXCEPT in the pay scales and benefit side of the equations. Why, I ask myself, is that? I, myself, have not had a wage increase for the last 3 1/2 years, yet my company made $98 MILLION in NET profit last year. (2010) THAT'S NET PROFIT! Where did it all go? ? ?
True, a lower percentage of workers are in unions now than ever before. But if you look at the industries that are dominated by unions, you can see why they're detrimental. Look at the UAW. That union has all but destroyed Detroit. American car companies who are all union shops are manufacturing more and more of their products overseas. Why? Because it's a LOT cheaper and a lot easier to do so without having to deal with trying to bust such a huge union. Same goes for the retail clerks union, right? Unions push for higher salaries (and take their share in dues) and benefits that are above and beyond what is normally competitive in that industry. The higher cost relates to that gets passed to the consumer.And I'm sick and tired of hearing about how these UNIONS and thier memberships have supposedly destroyed so many of our top corporations over the last few years. Union membership is at its lowest number in this country at any time since the early 40's.
Actually, our standard of living has gone up over the last 20+ years. We're living longer, living more comfortably, and we have more disposal income, on average. 20 years ago, we weren't out spending our money on $4 cups of coffee or wasting it on other things like we are right now. A ticket to a bronco game didn't cost $200 back then, but we can still afford to go (on occasion).Could this be a direct reflection of why our standard of living has continued to decline over the past 20+years? Or is it just a whole-hearted blessing for all the Corporate "PIGS" to get richer and wealthier at the workers expense? AND worse yet, to outsource these jobs for the sake of making BIGGER profits for themselves at the expense of our workers? It used to be that profits were re-invested in the companies that actually made them. Not any more.....
In the union shop I worked in, workers who had been there more than a year were all lazy. I was told more than once to slow down. And firing someone was near impossible. True story... A worker was brazing near a friend of mine. He actually drug the torch across my buddy's hand, burning him badly. Because the worker had been there for a long time (supervisor's words), it just wasn't worth disciplining him for one mistake. The guy had a substance abuse problem, but they wouldn't even drug test him after the incident. Now if they didn't feel like they could fire a guy for that, they definitely wouldn't fire someone for being lazy.One more point, LAZY workers are only promoted by the LAZIER workers who surround them. You lead by example, I usually got better performance from my people by MY example. AND remember, The company ALWAYS has the means (and the finances) to rid itself of these underachievers. If they choose do so.
Enough of my rants, my fingers are tired.....
Are you seriously asking me why they shouldn't be allowed to spend tax dollars on political ads? And it isn't "Their" interests, it in the interests of the BIG BUSINESS that you guys hates so much, but with a different name. Union.IFSHDOU2? said:Don't understand your question past the "spend millions on political ads" part.....The Situation said:Do you believe that the unions should spend millions on political ads, and then beg the govt for more money, or fire workers because they can't afford their pensions?
Why should they not be allowed to spend for thier interests? EVERYONE else does, and its usually on the sneak.
My experience as well...why I left the union! We need a union to ensure fair wages not ridiculous wages and benefits and certainly protecting all the pathetic employees who do NOT want to work!Chris said:My experince with 2 different unions left me with the same opinion, they promote lazyness and protect the weak employee! Good retirement plans at both places though!